Haha. No.
Poor horse. Everyone keeps beating it. It’s dead, and yet we keep on beating away. But what else can one do? Trying to get things done in Internet Explorer 7.0 is about as bad as it ever was. Worse, perhaps? Worse from the fact that after having supposedly rewritten the entire damn thing from the ground up, it still doesn’t read PNG’s properly, and a simple ‘min-width’ property can make your entire site disappear, for no apparent reason.
It’s a shit browser. Plain and simple. In fact, it’s more shit than it is browser.
It is like picking up very fine delicate china (a vase, not the country) with a full hard-on US Navy carrier group. It looks very impressive, but in the long run all you get is an international socio-political crisis, and no one claims responsibility.
Which reminds me, if you’re an IE expert and you want to do compatibility work on K2, by all means let me know!
Yeah dude. Testing (if you can call it that?) for IE has never been more time consuming since the release of IE7. I find that just about every bug that crops up in IE6 is present in IE7, and then some.
Check out response #13 to question 1 (One typical myth about web-development (which is not true)) in Smashing Magazine’s recent article, 50 Designers x 6 Questions.
Wouldn’t it be great if someone held Microsoft accountable for all the hours wasted by web developers across the globe who are forced to adjust perfectly valid code to work in their browsers? It’s to the point where every developer should factor in “IE testing” into their time estimates as you can easily spend an hour or two simply trying to get your site to display properly.
like this is any surprise. unfortunately so many bone heads still use IE so we are forced to design sites that work with it unless we don’t care what people see… but then again if they are using IE maybe it’s better that way.
peace.
bv.
I don’t think anyone ever claimed it was rewritten from the ground up. Try sending feedback to Microsoft’s IE team through their blog. I’m sure they’d appreciate your thoughts (seriously): http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/
Aaron
No transparent pngs
Ctrl-L still pops up a dialog box! how annoying is that
Crap javascript support (why is “new image” blocking?)
It takes ages to load, and sometimes has bugs with that (try typing a url immediately after IE loads)
and most importantly, THERE’S NO FIREBUG FOR IE!
heck!
Please don’t knock IE7, it completely owns FireFox and Opera.
It’s got… Uh, a cool gold star you click to Bookmark stuff, a cute little blue house that makes you go to your favourite page and 2 shiny buttons for going backwards and forwards!
Seriously though, i’ve got more functionality, performance and better page randering capabilities with Opera Mini on my mobile phone which is a few hundred Kilobytes. Makes me wonder what crap resides in that 14MB IE7 download, because it obviously isn’t to render webpages.
Carly,
In Finland we have this thing called “You just don’t know how to“. After the 7 was released, I’ve had problems only with FF and IE works smoothly. What is the point to use things that you know to break everything just to get a change to say that IE is shit? For example normal PNGs work just fine. I believe that after you’ve done few sites you know what you can do and what you can’t. And you can use all common standards and do everything “by the book”. But if you want to do things just to get something bad about IE it’s quite easy. Btw, how many sites have you done which require all acid features?
I can’t really recall the last time I used Internet Explorer. Firefox or Safari works great for me. Even when I’m using a computer which doesn’t belong to me, I try to use Portable Firefox form my USB Key.
“It’s a shit browser. Plain and simple. In fact, it’s more shit than it is browser”
Period.
Keep your design simple and it will work with IE7 without problems. This rule applies also for IE6 and any design process as well.
I’ve only met couple of float weirdnesses and problems with display: table-cell, but usually IE7 works just fine without extra work.
If you think it’s just a full load of shit, remember Netscape 4…
Sure, IE7 has some bugs and it sure as hell is not perfect but then again we really should not complain. Remember, we’re the experts and our job is to make things work and look good in all major browsers.
Besides, version 7 is a massive leap from the old crappy 6. Now the box model is less broken and most of the “weird bugs” (i.e. peekaboo and double margins) are fixed.
Then again, we still have to support IE6 for a long time.
Timo, yeah IE7 only has problems with the most basic things, like the ‘:before’ and ‘:after’ pseudo-selectors, PNG’s and min-width. All of which I use to make BB look the way it does… except in IE7 of course.
Web development isn’t meant to be about jumping through hoops and cutting corners on the most direct path to the intended goal; it’s something it’s become because Microsoft can get away with pushing out shit product after shit product and not face any torch-waving crowd at the castle gates as they call it quits for the day.
And IE7 being a ‘massive leap’ from 6 is hardly a comforting notion, considering that IE6 was like a plague-riddled digital shanty town where your very life was at stake, when trying to do the simplest CSS or HTML.
It is not acceptable.
i agree.. poor horse, as Yong Hwee said – Firefox and Safari works much better !
regards
it does beat Firefox when it comes to the memory usage, though…
re.: selectors, go take a look at this: http://kimblim.dk/csstest/ – it really isn’t that bad..
I’m reminded of Ace Ventura, when Ace figures out Finkle is Einhorn and everything that follows: vomiting in toilet, brushing teeth feverishly, toilet plunging face, burning clothes and finally a shower to wash away the unpleasantness. All that and much, much more.
Yeah. That’s how I feel whenever I’m dealing with IE and any variation thereof.
IE7 does support PNG-24? Take a look at http://privat.tdc.dk and notice the dots over the image header.. that’s a PNG with alpha-transparency.
I very, very, very rarely encounter any problems with IE7 and I am an interface developer, who does nothing but html,css and javascript..
On another note: the interface of IE7 sucks major balls!
The only reason it uses less memory is because it’s already half loaded
yeah you are right IE7 sucks ass big time. I am trying to design my site, and have used an unusual layout. It looks fine in dreamweaver and firefox, but when i try to use IE it doesnt diasplay properly. I try to adjust one little element of the css and voila the whole site jumps off the page. It has been driving me mad for 2 days now. Nearly sorted tho but i really hate IE (all versions). I want to use a semi transparent PNG for a customer to and i cant because they are using IE so when they look at the site it just looks crap
@agggghhhh:
“It looks fine in dreamweaver”??? Are you serious? Please tell me you are not on some site bitching about IE7 while you actually use a preview-function in Dreamweaver.
Yeah i use dreamweaver to preview the rendered page while editing the css. It speeds up my work flow so i can earn more money. Its just about the only use i have for dreamweaver these days but it does render the page quite well, just like firefox and not like IE5.6.7. So you just use templates do you on your wordpress blog? Yeah that is alot easier, not very difficult to edit css when you do it like that, if you edit it at all.
If IE is so good then why do most people have conditional comments in their page for internet explorer css fixes? P.S. Do you have shares in microsoft or something?
No, I do not have shares in MS. And I am not a MS fanboy either. I just find it incredibly funny that you trust Dreamweaver’s preview function while you hate on IE7.
IE7 is not the worlds best browser – I never said so either – but it is miles ahead of IE6, and I have not had to make any hacks or modifications to my css for IE7 yet! And no, I am not talking about my blog, but the websites I maintain in my job.. If you study my blog or my linkedin profile, I am sure you will find that the websites are pretty big and well done.
Most people use conditional comments for IE6, not IE7, so that argument is void.
It’s not like I pretend to be a SEO company and use tables for layout, is it?
Look i think you should really chill out you come across as being very aggressive. I was not slagging you off or saying you were a bad designer. You are right your web sites are very nice and use a strict DIV CSS layout that im sure google likes.
Also, fair enough, IE7 is better than earlier versions. Just for the record though, and so people interested in SEO are not misinformed, using tables in your content within a good div layout is not bad SEO, if fact the highest ranking website for the term SEO on google.co.uk uses them (www.seobook.com). Not putting commas in your keywords meta tag is bad SEO… but obviously everyone knows that. And also i should say that i am not pretending to be an SEO company, we are one! But a new one and we need a bit of a break so please don’t start slandering my company before we have even started and the site no where near finished. But this is not really about SEO its about IE7 so lets say no more about it.
If anyone is interested i have some SEO articles on my website, and will be writing an article soon on designing websites (without the hasstle of conditional CSS scripts, which i dont actually use) very soon.