It’s not a trick, it’s not a fake. It’s the Nokia iPhone.
I don’t think I have the language to describe how flabbergasted I am. How can I possibly as a conscientious consumer, ever again consider Nokia as a provider of a future phone? How can these people look themselves in the mirror in the morning?
This is Sparta!
Also “let’s NOT use model/studio images for the slideshow…..I head Bob from IT took some pictures last weekend, we’ll use those for the commercial”.
LOLZ.
The easy flickr idea does seem like a good improvement, though the iPod function of the iPhone is what wins me over.
And the fact they pretty much admit to copying it and with not only no shame, but with pride is…well they got to be kidding, right?
We’re not innovators, we’re not leaders, we just wait until someone comes up with a good idea and we “copy it with pride.” We revel in our lameness!
Seriously, that “pride” comment should be on a t-shirt, how could anyone even keep a straight face while saying something like that? I’m willing to bet anything that thing will break down just as fast as they ripped it off too.
I don’t get it. If it works well, why not copy it? No point in reinventing the wheel. I bet people screamed bloody murder when everyone started making clamshell phone as well. At least Nokia’s not claiming they did this first.
And why can’t you consider Nokia ever again? I guess this one step across into the land of almighty Apple has overshadowed the fact that they produce a multitude of great devices. You can stick with your principles, but if Nokia can produce what Apple can, at a lower price and/or with better features, I’d certainly buy it over an iPhone, regardless of who pioneered the idea.
Nokia, failing at life. Seriously.
They used to be the innovator. Sure, others might come out with some interesting models, but Nokia always lead the field – remember the N95 hype?
If Nokia are going to copy the iPhone, rather than run with that concept and come up with something entirely new, then I wasn’t mistaken in getting a windows mobile device whilst I wait for the iPhone to make release here.
Nokia,
connecting peoplecopying with pride.Frankly, I thought it was going to take much longer for the iPhone to cement its place as the new standard of excellence in this entrenched industry, but now, seeing Nokia’s pedestrian “me too” approach to competing with Apple, I think this smartphone war is already over, and Apple has won.
Nokia has spent the last nine months ridiculing the iPhone, and now they can’t wrap their minds around what makes it great, so they simply try to copy it verbatim. Well, they can certainly copy the exterior design and some of the interface elements (flicking photos with your finger, I mean, come on…), and they’ll likely add things that Apple chose to forego, but I’ll believe that Nokia’s Symbian OS can hold a candle to the robustness and maturity of OS X when I see it with my own eyes.
[quote comment=“153689”]I don’t get it. If it works well, why not copy it?[quote]
Because of so many reason, I don’t even know where to start. At a fundamental level, it has Nokia striding comfortably into reactionary territory.
Nokia, meet Microsoft. Microsoft, meet Nokia. Together you can revel in rising profits, and drooping levels of respect from your former costumers.
[quote]And why can’t you consider Nokia ever again? I guess this one step across into the land of almighty Apple has overshadowed the fact that they produce a multitude of great devices.[/quote]
Actually, I have a Nokia, and I’ve had Nokia’s in the past, and I’m none too happy with them. Considering how many phones they make a year (and how ugly I find the vast majority of them), you’d think they would have it streamlined by now, right? Yet whenever I use my phone, I hate it.
And Nokia knows this, obviously! Because they just acknowledged defeat! “We don’t know how to build phones,” is what the creation of this bastard product is screaming to the consumer world. “We don’t know how to make phones, and subsequently, we’ll make a knock-off, just like in the Van Damme flick, which will beat the iPhone on features! Haha! We win!”.
Wait, didn’t we go through this once before?
Good luck with your nPhone. And if you ever need to buy some cheap clothes, I recommend the Leevis brand. It’s practically the same as the real thing. Sorta.
I’m all for copying and stealing (Who isn’t? And why is that?). So, apparently, is Steve: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0UjU0rtavE
I like Nokia phones. Especially the really really old ones like 3310. You can fling them into a stone wall and they’ll hold up.
Just from looking at that picture, I didn’t initially see why this would be a copy, but the engadget video took care of that.
So well, they’ve copied. What did you expect? It had to come sooner or later, right?
While I think the iPhone looks like a fantastic device (although I’ve yet to see how good it is for texting), the idea of a full screen / touch screen device isn’t new. The iphone is just a bunch of pre-existing technologies thrown together in a really neat package. I know that’s what ideas are usually made of, but if Apple patented the wheel, would you be driving square tires?
Rask, first of all, that soundbite is taken entirely out of context, and has to do with Apple ‘stealing’ the GUI from Xerox PARC back in the early 70’s. A key difference between that and this, is Xerox PARC’s lack of interest in the GUI as a commercial solution for personal computers. So the two didn’t even compete in the same markets, contrary to the iPhone and the nPhone.
Secondly, from what little we’ve seen so far, it doesn’t seem as if Nokia were ‘inspired’ by the iPhone. No, they pretty much xerox’d it and slapped a new logo on it.
First of all, where’s the fun in that? Where’s the pride in that? Where’s the skill in that? Is this stagnant state of affairs what we call business 101?
I would of course expect of Nokia to be inspired by the iPhone. To take it apart to its smallest elements, learn from it and build their own competitor in a new and interesting way. Much like Apple has done with the iPhone itself. Of course, that’s evolution.
But unless we’re lacking the full picture, I honestly find it repulsive. Had I worked for Nokia, my principles would force me to seek new employment.
Joen, I too liked the old phones; they were ahead of the pack back in the day. But in recent years, Nokia has been churning out one shit phone after another. Some were floaters, but IMHO, the majority were simply stinkers.
And really, calling the iPhone ‘just a bunch of old ideas, in a neat package’ is cheap, and I know you know it. Because fundamentally, everything is. But the craftsmanship is in the details, and that’s what differentiates one chipboard with a multi-touch screen from another, lesser.
PS: nPhone, meet the POP Station.
[quote]But unless we’re lacking the full picture, I honestly find it repulsive. Had I worked for Nokia, my principles would force me to seek new employment.[/quote]
Hmm. While you make a good case (you certainly have the linquistic and intellectual skills), don’t you think you’re overdoing it? A good friend of mine is a programmer at Nokia, and happens to be Apple fan too. If I were him I certainly wouldn’t quit just to pick sides in some huge business fight. I don’t think it’d make the least difference.
[quote]Joen, I too liked the old phones; they were ahead of the pack back in the day. But in recent years, Nokia has been churning out one shit phone after another. Some were floaters, but IMHO, the majority were simply stinkers.[/quote]
Since I haven’t really updated my phone that much, I’ll take your word for it. I like their dictionaries though. Oh, and isn’t it a general problem with phones today: they’re all bloated?
[quote]And really, calling the iPhone ‘just a bunch of old ideas, in a neat package’ is cheap, and I know you know it. Because fundamentally, everything is. But the craftsmanship is in the details, and that’s what differentiates one chipboard with a multi-touch screen from another, lesser.[/quote]
I did say really neat, didn’t I? And yes, I know it. But my point wasn’t that anyone could get the idea of the iPhone, my point was that eventually someone probably would. Even then, as you say yourself, there’s a world of difference between getting the idea and beautifully executing it, and getting the idea and just executing it.
I still don’t think it’s such a big deal.
It’s a very short video clip that doesn’t reveal much about the phone besides the obvious: It’s does look a lot like the iPhone. But Apple certainly did not invent the concept of large touch screens for mobile phones, so I think others should be allowed to use a similar concept too. Besides, if a proven concept works, why not (re)use it? Isn’t that why Apple decided on the touch screen for the iPhone?
I’m not defending Nokia here. It’s obvious they’ve been having some ‘design difficulties’ recently, but before the phone comes out and we get to see the extend of the alleged thieving, I wouldn’t quit my job at Nokia (if I had one).
[quote comment=“153816”] seeing Nokia’s pedestrian “me too” approach to competing with Apple, I think this smartphone war is already over, and Apple has won.[/quote]
You’re kidding right?
Nokia has led the Smartphone field and still is, Nokia had features 2 years ago that are superior to the iPhone.
What’s this Edge connectivity thing anyway? That’s why the iPhone isn’t even out in Australia, we’ve been using 3G for years and are migrating to HSDPA with 3.6 Mbit and what’s Apple done? Released EDGE at 236.8 kbit/s, too slow to be bothered with.
The list goes on and on, can’t you see Nokia are just making a mockery of the iPhone by intentionally doing this?
Seriously, the iPhone is like Commodore 64 coming out with a pretty case and alot of marketing hype and telling Intel/AMD they have been owned.
Carly,
Yeah, because the iPod won over the digital music player market on features… Right?
No, but for a smartphone, that is clearly aimed at the web, having EDGE as its mobile WAN connection is like creating an MP3 player that only play music at half speed.
“That is clearly also aimed at the web”, you should say. And no, it wouldn’t be the same as playing back MP3’s at half-speed. It would be the same as having an MP3 player which had a slow interface for navigating said MP3’s. Big difference. In one case, you can’t use the music, in the other, you can.
But, let’s have a look at those speeds, shall we?
How does that look to you? Looks alright to me.